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  September 8, 2019 - 8:06am
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  EssamB wrote:

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TvOS 13 is obviously not steady yet.

Correct, and it is probably going to release this way.

  September 8, 2019 - 8:16am
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  steve.waite wrote:

Correct, and it is probably going to release this way.

I hope not Smile
Can you confirm the issue with Plex 2.7 and tvOS 13 beta 9? (I realise it is not a Plex forum, just curious)

  September 8, 2019 - 8:41am
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Just played Mission Impossible Fallout on Plex on the latest beta, and it worked in HDR just fine.
Plex is very finicky about direct play. It's the reason I moved to Infuse in the first place. If you've ripped PGS subtitles directly from the bluray. make sure you don't select them in Plex, as that is not supported for direct play (🤦‍♂️). SRT subtitles are supported.

  September 8, 2019 - 8:42am
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  EssamB wrote:

I hope not Smile
Can you confirm the issue with Plex 2.7 and tvOS 13 beta 9? (I realise it is not a Plex forum, just curious)

For me, with Plex 2.7/tvOS 13 beta 9, a .M4V HEVC HDR with EAC3 5.1 Atmos, direct plays fine, and Atmos triggers.

  September 8, 2019 - 8:43am
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  LeoNatan wrote:

Just played Mission Impossible Fallout on Plex on the latest beta, and it worked in HDR just fine.
Plex is very finicky about direct play. It's the reason I moved to Infuse in the first place. If you've ripped PGS subtitles directly from the bluray. make sure you don't select them in Plex, as that is not supported for direct play (🤦‍♂️). SRT subtitles are supported.

Using the native player or the enhanced player?

  September 8, 2019 - 8:47am
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Enhanced player is off in settings, but does it really matter in the context of Infuse? Plex is able to play files, while Infuse is not.

Guys, at this point, I have hard time believing this is an AVFoundation issue. If both Plex and internal Apple players support these files, there is just no excuse that Infuse doesn't. Sorry.

  September 8, 2019 - 8:49am
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  steve.waite wrote:

For me, with Plex 2.7/tvOS 13 beta 9, a .M4V HEVC HDR with EAC3 5.1 Atmos, direct plays fine, and Atmos triggers.

Yes, this is easy Smile MrMC can do that too Wink
To be honest, if I want to enjoy a movie with atmos TruHD and smooth playback, I use the HTPC (Intel NUC8i5).

  September 8, 2019 - 8:50am
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  EssamB wrote:

Yes, this is easy Smile MrMC can do that too Wink
To be honest, if I want to enjoy a movie with atmos TruHD and smooth playback, I use the HTPC (Intel NUC8i5).

My rip contains a TrueHD track, which Plex is able to decode just fine.

  September 8, 2019 - 8:52am
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  LeoNatan wrote:

Enhanced player is off in settings, but does it really matter in the context of Infuse? Plex is able to play files, while Infuse is not.

Guys, at this point, I am even hard-pressed to believe this is an AVFoundation issue. If both Plex and internal Apple players support these files, there is just no excuse that Infuse doesn't. Sorry.

Now I am confused; the native AVPlayer uses AVFoundation, so why do you believe its an AVFoundation issue?

  September 8, 2019 - 8:56am
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  EssamB wrote:

Now I am confused; the native AVPlayer uses AVFoundation, so why do you believe its an AVFoundation issue?

No, what I meant to say is I don't believe it is an issue with AVFoundation. I will edit to make it more clear.

  September 8, 2019 - 10:05am
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Another thing strange with Infuse is that everything works fine on iPhone XS Max, while it stutters on Apple TV. If there were issues with AVFoundation/VideoToolbox, the same issues would manifest on the iPhone.

  September 8, 2019 - 10:31am
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  LeoNatan wrote:

Another thing strange with Infuse is that everything works fine on iPhone XS Max, while it stutters on Apple TV. If there were issues with
AVFoundation/VideoToolbox, the same issues would manifest on the iPhone.

ios is not tvos
MrMc's changelog is clear for stuttering, it's a problem with AVFoundation, and the AVFoundation has been changed in TVos beta ,and I'm sure that firecore has fixed the problem for the next beta

  September 8, 2019 - 12:20pm
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@sethx Stop parroting the same thing over and over. 🙄 You keep saying you are not a developer, yet repeat the same thing over and over with no understanding what it means.

https://mrmc.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=511...

This is nothing conclusive. In the same thread, he claims that VideoToolbox render to 8-bit, while claiming that it support 8-bit and 10-bit. Why don't they use AVSampleBufferDisplayLayer with VideoToolbox? If there is a bug in AVSampleBufferDisplayLayer, how do Apple's players, which use the same layer, work as expected? How does Plex' player work as expected? In another thread, the same MrMC developer claimed that they are unable to test on tvOS 13 because they are afraid to upgrade Xcode and their Apple TV. That's amateur hour for a developer that releases a paid product.

Even if there is some incompatibility somewhere, the fact that other configurations work means that during this month that Firecore has insisted "it's an Apple bug", they should have created a fallback decoding+render path (perhaps limited in features), while Apple fixes the issue (or doesn't).

  September 8, 2019 - 12:52pm
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  sethx wrote:

ios is not tvos

This is very inaccurate.
The same hardware platform is used, including the same video decoding hardware, the same SoC (CPU, GPU). The software (tvOS), especially non-UI, is very very similar. With all my years of experience, I find it hard to believe only tvOS is affected by such a bug, while iOS is not. Anything is possible, but it doesn't make sense to me.

  September 8, 2019 - 1:01pm
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  LeoNatan wrote:

@sethx Stop parroting the same thing over and over. 🙄 You keep saying you are not a developer, yet repeat the same thing over and over with no understanding what it means.

https://mrmc.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=511...

This is nothing conclusive. In the same thread, he claims that VideoToolbox render to 8-bit, while claiming that it support 8-bit and 10-bit. Why don't they use AVSampleBufferDisplayLayer with VideoToolbox? If there is a bug in AVSampleBufferDisplayLayer, how do Apple's players, which use the same layer, work as expected? How does Plex' player work as expected? In another thread, the same MrMC developer claimed that they are unable to test on tvOS 13 because they are afraid to upgrade Xcode and their Apple TV. That's amateur hour for a developer that releases a paid product.

Even if there is some incompatibility somewhere, the fact that other configurations work means that during this month that Firecore has insisted "it's an Apple bug", they should have created a fallback decoding+render path (perhaps limited in features), while Apple fixes the issue (or doesn't).

the changelog of apple was a modification of the AVFoundation, when the modification was made on the beta 6 (approximately) the videos stuttered, what else is needed to understand? Then mrmc makes a modification by speaking clearly about AVFoundation and confirms it.
After going into the details and know how it works (API, codec etc.) is stupid and change nothing, and I repeat we are not developers and I'm just reading the info given by developers. and you from the beginning you say that it does not come from AVFoundation, and you made it clear that at firecore and Mrmc it's idiots, you're not serious, let the developers work

  September 8, 2019 - 1:13pm
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Maybe enough bickering?

Seems that the only worthwhile statement was the one saying to wait till the official "Non Beta" release of os13 or maybe even os 13.1. Then there will be facts to discuss again.

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  September 8, 2019 - 2:19pm
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  NC Bullseye wrote:

Maybe enough bickering?

Seems that the only worthwhile statement was the one saying to wait till the official "Non Beta" release of os13 or maybe even os 13.1. Then there will be facts to discuss again.

You are probably right.
As a matter of principle, the OS on any platform can/does change without pre-warning and the developers usually/have to adapt their apps to the OS, never the opposite, so Apple is not a part of what is discussed here. tvOS 13 is a major release and changes happened. MrMC found-out how the behaviour of AVFounadtion has changed, it was naughty, but they found it out. I am sure infuse will adapt too and the issue will be soon resolved, after all the release of tvOS 13 is expected on Sept. 10th.

BTW, infuse is not stuttering like hell and not on every 4K HDR file, so, it is reasonable that we all can live with it few more days or use another player or even watch another movie, after all it is just a video player Grin

  September 9, 2019 - 8:43am
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  EssamB wrote:

BTW, infuse is not stuttering like hell and not on every 4K HDR file, so, it is reasonable that we all can live with it few more days or use another player or even watch another movie, after all it is just a video player Grin

For me, Infuse stutters on the vast majority of 4K videos I've thrown at it. It seemed like it worked fine for Avengers Endgame, but that stutters too now. Confused

  September 9, 2019 - 8:59am
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The stutters seem to be on movies with profile L5.1@high. L5 profiles are unaffected (webrips).

  September 10, 2019 - 9:14am
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Quick update!

We've found a workaround which gets things back to normal on tvOS 13 and will have this fix available soon in the upcoming 6.1.6 release.

We anticipate having 6.1.6 available on iOS/tvOS 13 launch day.

Infuse 6 for iOS and Apple TV is now available!

  September 10, 2019 - 9:34am
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  james wrote:

Quick update!

We've found a workaround which gets things back to normal on tvOS 13 and will have this fix available soon in the upcoming 6.1.6 release.

We anticipate having 6.1.6 available on iOS/tvOS 13 launch day.

I can confirm, smooth playback with beta 4 and tvOS 13 beta 9!
Well done!

EDIT: with tvOS 13 beta 10 as well.

  September 10, 2019 - 11:56am
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Thanks for the update, guys!

  September 11, 2019 - 12:40am
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  james wrote:

Quick update!

We've found a workaround which gets things back to normal on tvOS 13 and will have this fix available soon in the upcoming 6.1.6 release.

We anticipate having 6.1.6 available on iOS/tvOS 13 launch day.

Many thanks for sorting this out!

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