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#1  May 17, 2018 - 4:00am
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My family and average users that aren’t enthusiasts are constantly asking me what 2160p means. Since 4K and UHD are used by every major TV brand, store advertisement and online streaming service would it be possible for Infuse to do the same? 2160p not only isn’t universally well-known but just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

  May 17, 2018 - 11:41am
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Does your family understand 480p, 720p, and 1080p? It is the name given to the resolutions and the 2160 is just the next natural progression. 720p and 1080p are also recognized as "HD" and "Full HD" but the numbers give a bit more info and are related to vertical pixels. Since "4K" is relatively new, and may have different vertical resolutions it may take some folks a bit of time to get used to the resolutions but it will happen. Heck they already have 8K in the works and beyond.

Here's a CNET page that has a good reference and explanation for resolution standards.

https://www.cnet.com/news/tv-resolution-confus...
Here's a quote from that page that helps explain 4K

  

The problem is that 4K means something different whether you're talking about a TV in your home, or a projector in a theater.

Technically, "4K" means a horizontal resolution of 4,096 pixels. This is the resolution set forth by the Digital Cinema Initiatives. Because movies vary in aspect ratio, which refers to the exact shape of the rectangle of screen, no vertical resolution is specified.

While many default to the term "4k" with Infuse being able to play multiple formats it's more helpful to see the actual resolution.

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  May 17, 2018 - 12:44pm
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  NC Bullseye wrote:

Does your family understand 480p, 720p, and 1080p? It is the name given to the resolutions and the 2160 is just the next natural progression. 720p and 1080p are also recognized as "HD" and "Full HD" but the numbers give a bit more info and are related to vertical pixels. Since "4K" is relatively new, and may have different vertical resolutions it may take some folks a bit of time to get used to the resolutions but it will happen. Heck they already have 8K in the works and beyond.

While many default to the term "4k" with Infuse being able to play multiple formats it's more helpful to see the actual resolution.

Can't argue with any of this! I'm well aware the multitude of what 4K "can" mean. I was simply referring to the fact that (I'm guessing) 99.99% of all "4K" content like TV Shows and Movies played on infuse are going to be at 2160p just like UHD Blurays and UHD online streaming. I know what 2160p means and can easily explain it to the masses like family and friends that don't. I just figured since UHD Blurays, iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube, and even the Plex server itself are all referring to 2160p as 4K, the term 2160p is never going to be as commonly known like 1080p is today simply because no one anywhere is marketing the new format with that term so we will constantly be explaining it.

Was just thinking from the more casual audience that would make Infuse more mainstream but that's just a personal preference Smile

  May 17, 2018 - 12:58pm
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  Flash4ward wrote:

Can't argue with any of this! I'm well aware the multitude of what 4K "can" mean. I was simply referring to the fact that (I'm guessing) 99.99% of all "4K" content like TV Shows and Movies played on infuse are going to be at 2160p just like UHD Blurays and UHD online streaming. I know what 2160p means and can easily explain it to the masses like family and friends that don't. I just figured since UHD Blurays, iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube, and even the Plex server itself are all referring to 2160p as 4K, the term 2160p is never going to be as commonly known like 1080p is today simply because no one anywhere is marketing the new format with that term so we will constantly be explaining it.

Was just thinking from the more casual audience that would make Infuse more mainstream but that's just a personal preference Smile

I agree 4K and HD should be used instead of 2160p and 1080p, it’s just more common to the everyday folk.

  May 19, 2018 - 1:01pm
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+1
4k and HDR tag beside

  May 22, 2018 - 7:06am
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Tech savvy users will know what it means, I prefer to see the resolution myself to verify everything is working correctly, and take action if it isn't.

90% of non-tech savvy users will simply ignore it, I've never had anyone ask me what 1920x1080 at 60hz means on the TV when they turn it on. They'll just look at the picture and think, doesn't look like pixelated garbage and then keep watching. But tech savvy users will think, 2160p, NICE!

  May 22, 2018 - 9:10am
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  gggplaya wrote:

Tech savvy users will know what it means, I prefer to see the resolution myself to verify everything is working correctly, and take action if it isn't.

90% of non-tech savvy users will simply ignore it, I've never had anyone ask me what 1920x1080 at 60hz means on the TV when they turn it on. They'll just look at the picture and think, doesn't look like pixelated garbage and then keep watching. But tech savvy users will think, 2160p, NICE!

No one calls watching a 4K movie “hey I’m watching a 2160p movie” that’s why in every single app or media you see the 4K badge. Who says 90 percent of those people will ignore it? rather they probably will be confused what 2160p is, therefore likely to ignore it, but everyone knows what 4K is. I don’t think that is great for infuse then if they want to cater for all. Infuse should really have film industry badges in their metadata such as HD, 4K, HDR like every other app

  May 28, 2018 - 12:01am
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  m_rota wrote:

+1
4k and HDR tag beside

+1

720p
1080p
4K

That's how the labels should work.

2160p isn't a thing.

  May 31, 2018 - 12:43am
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As much as I want it I am not sure its going to be done. Since all the streaming & video sites put tags (resolution tags) of 480, 720p, 1080p, 1440p & 2160p. Even youtube does that. Not all people know about it but most of them do. 1440p is 2k res and 2160p is 4k UHD res.

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  May 31, 2018 - 12:44am
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  molnizzle wrote:

+1

720p
1080p
4K

That's how the labels should work.

2160p isn't a thing.

Haha brother its actually a thing. 2160p Smile

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  May 31, 2018 - 7:38am
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You guys are missing 1080i which is still used in ATSC television broadcasts, and if you record with an HDhomerun, will still be encoded as 1080i.

So you have:
480i(SD)
480p(SD)
720p(HD)
1080i(Full HD)
1080p(Full HD)
1440p(2k)
1716p(4k cinescope)
2160p(4k)

  June 1, 2018 - 12:42am
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Maybe a toggle in Settings:

Style A:

480p
720p
1080p
1440p
2160p

Style B:
SD
HD
Full HD
2K
4K

Style C:
SD
HD (covering 720p and 1080p)
2K
4K

Style D:
SD
HD
Full HD
2K
Ultra HD (or Ultra HD 4K)

Style E:
Poor (which would be applied to movies with quality: SD and 720p)
Good (which would be applied to movies with quality: 1080p)
Great (which would be applied to movies with quality: 2K)
Excellent (which would be applied to movies with quality: 4K and better, or 2K with HDR and better)

  June 5, 2018 - 11:30am
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If we really want to be pedantic, then it should be pointed out that many movies that are flagged as being 2160p (or 1080p or that matter), aren't actually even that resolution. That number "correctly" applies to the vertical resolution, so unless the movie is a 16:9 widescreen ratio to fill out the entire screen of a modern TV set, then it's NOT 1080p/2160p. Let's take Iron Man, for example. The film's resolution is 1920x800 for an aspect ratio of 21:9, which is very common for movies. The 4K version would be 3840x1600. The HD version is not 1080p, it's 800p. And the "Ultra HD" version is not 2160p but 1600p.

So my 2 cents here: if we are going to blanket label all movies with a horizontal resolution of 1920 as being 1080p when quite a lot are "really" 800p, and it's being done so to appease the common understanding that "1080p" means "HD", then the common understanding that "4K" means "better than HD" should be used. Truthfully, "4K" better represents the actual resolution than 2160p does.

  July 1, 2018 - 5:35pm
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Good Call, match what Apple is doing with iTunes descriptors.

  July 3, 2018 - 12:19pm
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I agree with Flash4ward. Infuse should match iTunes content format display description.
480p (SD)
720p/1080p (HD) and or (Full HD)
2160p (4k UHD)
Also it is very important to add (HDR) for movies that are in HDR and hopefully once Dolby Vision becomes supported for encoding in MKV files, (DV Logo)
For Audio it will also be nice to have (Dolby Atmos) logo instead of TrueHD but still indicate the number of channels next to the logo (5.1 vs 7.1). (DTS:X) Logo instead of DTS-HD MA, (Dolby Digital Plus) logo for DD+, etc.

  July 3, 2018 - 5:16pm
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Yeah I feel that infuse is way too basic when it comes to metadata on the pre play screen. I wonder why in all this time infuse has still not implemented the DOLBY, DTS, SD, HD, 4K, HDR tags or even IMDb, rotten tomato ratings, and trailers. All this would make the user experience richer. Are there royalties involved to use these features?

  August 17, 2018 - 4:56pm
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I also agree should use tag 4K instead of 2160p

2160p is too technical and not use by manufacturer at all.

Much better with following label

  • SD
  • HD
  • Full HD
  • 4K

In addition added HDR behind if the movie is in HDR format.

  September 5, 2018 - 1:54pm
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I was watching Avengers Infinity war on plex and it lists the movie as 720P. The problem is, the actual resolution was 1920x838. This threw me off for a little bit until I figured it out. So again, i'd much rather have the actual resolution displayed(XXXXxXXXX), instead of 4k or 2160p, or anything else.

  September 20, 2018 - 2:04am
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+1

I completely agree that making things simpler by using the most common abriviations is the way to go. So HD, FULL HD, 4K etc.

Thanks!

  September 24, 2018 - 2:37pm
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Hi James 😉
I have a question about the „threshold“ in which resolution (1080p, 720p, 576p, 480p) a Video is getting classified...

I have some PAL-SD files which should normally classified as 576p!
But I have cropped the Videos some pixels (to avoid flickering edges) and now it get classified as 480p...

Is there a possibility that you can optimize this threshold, so the video is getting right classified as 576p?
😉👍

Bytheway, I think it would be nice, if you can show SD, HD Full-HD, 4K instead of 576p, 720p, 1080p etc 😉

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  September 27, 2018 - 11:01pm
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  SoCalSean wrote:

For Audio it will also be nice to have (Dolby Atmos) logo instead of TrueHD but still indicate the number of channels next to the logo (5.1 vs 7.1). (DTS:X) Logo instead of DTS-HD MA, (Dolby Digital Plus) logo for DD+, etc.

Sorry....I’m not understanding this one. Atmos and DTS:X are currently not supported and may never be. It would be hugely confusing to label media that way. TrueHD and atmos are different things....as are DTS:X and DTS-HD MA

  October 12, 2019 - 7:29am
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I agree we show have a switch between displaying 2160p format or 4K. Its easier for the rest of my family. We also need some text or icons overlaid with 4K and Dolby Atmos etc seen as my movie filename all include this