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  March 21, 2019 - 4:03pm
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I just purchased Infuse Lifetime and am a bit puzzled.
I understand there is no Atmos with Infuse. And it supposed to be Apple fault. Just working with VOD services not with local files.
If this is the case I am wondering:

  • is this information still valid?
  • why can Plex play Atmos?
  • why can MrMC play Atmos?

will it be coming with infuse 6?

  March 21, 2019 - 5:42pm
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  mimo74 wrote:

I just purchased Infuse Lifetime and am a bit puzzled.
I understand there is no Atmos with Infuse. And it supposed to be Apple fault. Just working with VOD services not with local files.
If this is the case I am wondering:

  • is this information still valid?
  • why can Plex play Atmos?
  • why can MrMC play Atmos?

will it be coming with infuse 6?

They other two can only play atmos if it’s in Dolby digital plus format and in an mp4 file. They cannot play atmos if the core audio is TrueHD and/or mkv. This excludes pretty much anything that comes from a bluray rip. MrMC does have a beta that allows for transmuxing eac3 atmos audio in mkv containers however you’ll only find that in webrip content.

  March 21, 2019 - 8:19pm
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I love ATV 4k plus Infuse but for me LPCM is no good. I bought Nvidia Shield and it works perfectly, cannot believe why ATV does not let atmos passthrough while other media players do. Sorry ATV plus Infuse but Nvidia Shield is way better than you Smile At least for now...

The Shield GUI is so awful, I'd rather watch all my movies in 2.0 than use it. Infuse with Neural:X is way better for me.

  March 21, 2019 - 8:34pm
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  nope54 wrote:

The Shield GUI is so awful, I'd rather watch all my movies in 2.0 than use it. Infuse with Neural:X is way better for me.

Couldn’t agree more! I have the aptv4k and got the shield because I wanted bitstream. I quickly realized there was zero difference in audio quality. The larger difference was how fluid and beautiful the apple video quality is. Don’t get me wrong I wish the aptv4k had bitstream but the shield GUI needs some seruous work!

  March 22, 2019 - 12:46pm
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Of course it’s a matter of taste, some prefer imagine quality, but for me sound quality is important when watching a movie. ATV has a better image but Atmos on Shield is BETTER than PCM on ATV with Infuse, the difference is pretty notable, even for a non audio specialist like me. The dream combination would be Infuse + ATV + Atmos... maybe in the future this dream will come true Smile

  March 22, 2019 - 7:08pm
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  nope54 wrote:

The Shield GUI is so awful, I'd rather watch all my movies in 2.0 than use it. Infuse with Neural:X is way better for me.

Is Neural:X better than Dolby:X in your oppinion?

  March 25, 2019 - 4:17am
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Is Neural:X better than Dolby:X in your oppinion?

For me, yes. I like that it removes the sounds it upmixes to the heights. It also can locate sounds separately using the front and back pairs. Much more like a native Atmos/DTS:X track. DSU doesn't remove sounds it upmixes and both the front and rear pairs get the exact same track.

The downside to Neural:X is that it can incorrectly place sounds in the heights. Not a big deal for me, but it can bother some people. DSU is super conservative so it doesn't really make mistakes like that.

One caveat. Make sure that "Top" speakers placed for Atmos spec are designated as "Heights" for Neural:X. Some receivers like Yamaha support this feature. I believe the Denon/Marantz units do not. Basically, in it's infinite wisdom, DTS decided to place the location of their Height speakers where Dolby has their Tops located. DTS Tops are in a different location. So you do not want Neural:X to use Tops like Dolby.

If it's not supported and you're not using an Atmos compatible source, or don't care about native Atmos (like me), just designative them as Heights in your receiver.

  March 25, 2019 - 4:27am
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  Cristian wrote:

Of course it’s a matter of taste, some prefer imagine quality, but for me sound quality is important when watching a movie. ATV has a better image but Atmos on Shield is BETTER than PCM on ATV with Infuse, the difference is pretty notable, even for a non audio specialist like me. The dream combination would be Infuse + ATV + Atmos... maybe in the future this dream will come true Smile

I have all the money ($20k+) in the sound side of my theater and that's really all I care about. It's also a matter of Atmos soundtrack quality. For every good one, there's 5-10+ "meh" tracks with little or no object placement or immersion. Other than the few reference mixes, I generally prefer upmixing with Neural:X.

  March 25, 2019 - 4:56am
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  nope54 wrote:

I have all the money ($20k+) in the sound side of my theater and that's really all I care about. It's also a matter of Atmos soundtrack quality. For every good one, there's 5-10+ "meh" tracks with little or no object placement or immersion. Other than the few reference mixes, I generally prefer upmixing with Neural:X.

This is so true. "meh" soundtracks and placing "Atmos" in the name without any actual Atmos effects is just too common. I think that last 2-3 movies I watched with "Atmos" had no noticeable effects even during the scenes you obviously expect them. Can anyone suggest a few good examples of Atmos on blurays?

  March 25, 2019 - 6:59pm
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  VelimirSaban wrote:

This is so true. "meh" soundtracks and placing "Atmos" in the name without any actual Atmos effects is just too common. I think that last 2-3 movies I watched with "Atmos" had no noticeable effects even during the scenes you obviously expect them. Can anyone suggest a few good examples of Atmos on blurays?

John Wick and Kong: Skull Island.

Atmos is more than just height speakers but object based audio so dialog can be isolated and sound clearer.

  March 26, 2019 - 9:20am
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I heard Skull Island has one of the best atmos sound on bluray

  March 26, 2019 - 3:00pm
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Dolby Atmos is on my Apple TV 4K (Austria, German) now.

Apple brought Dolby Atmos with the last update to tvOS 12.2
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  March 26, 2019 - 3:03pm
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  Zuano wrote:

Dolby Atmos is on my Apple TV 4K (Austria, German) now.

Apple brought Dolby Atmos with the last update to tvOS 12.2
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Not for Infuse. If you read the first post in this thread you'll see what the restrictions are.

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  March 26, 2019 - 4:02pm
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  JarvisMeier wrote:

Atmos is more than just height speakers but object based audio so dialog can be isolated and sound clearer.

Dialogue clarity is all about the mix regardless of Atmos, DTS:X, 7.1, 2.0, etc. A good mix will have clear dialogue at good relative volume levels. There are many 2.0 movies that have exceptional dialogue clarity. Atmos is about immersing you in the soundfield, the center channel will always carry 99.5% of dialogue, so it was never a problem for Atmos to solve.

If you watch an Atmos move that has great dialogue, it's just a great mix, period.

  March 27, 2019 - 2:00pm
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Has Passthrough been working for anyone else since the TVos 12.2 update?

  March 27, 2019 - 4:18pm
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no tried it and no sound

  March 28, 2019 - 8:08am
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Occasionally I’ll turn it on and see what happens and yesterday everything was working and playing great. Turn the ATV on this morning and I just got deafening squelch.

  March 28, 2019 - 2:38pm
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no passthrough for truehd in infuse 6 Frown

  March 28, 2019 - 4:18pm
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  migzy_1 wrote:

no passthrough for truehd in infuse 6 Frown

Of course not that’s up to Apple, not firecore, to develop into their software, Apple has never implemented lossless passthrough on TVOS only lossy passthrough which worked before version TVOS 11.3 until Apple took that option away unfortunately, that’s the whole reason for this sticky thread to submit a request to Apple to support passthrough until then firecore cannot implement lossless passthrough or lossless audio with Atmos into infuse.

  March 28, 2019 - 4:26pm
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Just be persistent and spam Apple with requests! Let's hope.

  March 29, 2019 - 11:56am
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  VelimirSaban wrote:

This is so true. "meh" soundtracks and placing "Atmos" in the name without any actual Atmos effects is just too common. I think that last 2-3 movies I watched with "Atmos" had no noticeable effects even during the scenes you obviously expect them. Can anyone suggest a few good examples of Atmos on blurays?

I completely agree! Most audio tracks I can't even tell the difference with atmos/no atmos. So i'll often times use infuse to watch them as I still get lossless audio but let my denon receiver do an atmos upmix. No, it's not true atmos but in a lot of cases I think it sounds better.

For true atmos/DTS:X i'll switch over to my shield or oppo. As one poster said, one of the best i've found for atmos is kong: skull island. The last planet of the apes movie was decent for atmos too.

I do like atmos on streaming services. Not necessarily for the atmos itself but because they are dramatically increasing the bitrate for the audio tracks over their usual DD+ streams.

  March 29, 2019 - 12:00pm
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  Cristian wrote:

Of course it’s a matter of taste, some prefer imagine quality, but for me sound quality is important when watching a movie. ATV has a better image but Atmos on Shield is BETTER than PCM on ATV with Infuse, the difference is pretty notable, even for a non audio specialist like me. The dream combination would be Infuse + ATV + Atmos... maybe in the future this dream will come true Smile

The issue with the shield is the 1080p upconversion to 4k is horrible. Noticably bad. In those cases i'd take the image quality of infuse on the ATV using at atmos upmix over true atmos and poor image quality on the shield.

However for native 4k movies the shield is fine. Though I find I use network streaming of those more and more on my oppo.

  March 30, 2019 - 6:18am
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The issue with the shield is the 1080p upconversion to 4k is horrible. Noticably bad. In those cases i'd take the image quality of infuse on the ATV using at atmos upmix over true atmos and poor image quality on the shield.

However for native 4k movies the shield is fine. Though I find I use network streaming of those more and more on my oppo.

I use my shield for all Dolby Atmos movies and Infuse for all the others. Which I could get rid of Shield. Hope Apple comes through

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  March 31, 2019 - 2:06am
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  archer75 wrote:

The issue with the shield is the 1080p upconversion to 4k is horrible. Noticably bad. In those cases i'd take the image quality of infuse on the ATV using at atmos upmix over true atmos and poor image quality on the shield.

However for native 4k movies the shield is fine. Though I find I use network streaming of those more and more on my oppo.

This is true but kodi on the shield can output at native resolution so no need to worry about the poor upscaling.

  March 31, 2019 - 2:16am
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Don't know why people hate on the UI of the shield. It looks fine to me. I have both ATV4K and Shield and have slowly moved everything to the Shield. I have set the GUI resolution on the shield to 1080p and use Kodi with resolution switching enabled. This way 1080p content is sharper than ATV since the TV is doing the transcoding. Color space switching and refresh rate switching work perfectly fine too. I've also installed multiple retro emulators Smile

PS: Chromecast built in is super helpful.

  March 31, 2019 - 2:50am
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The upscalers in the Apple TV’s native players and infuse are outstanding and easily rival or better most TVs. I cannot see any difference between infuse playback and native playback on my 65” oled. I know conventional wisdom is to ‘leave it to the tv’ but with the Apple TV there really is no need.

  March 31, 2019 - 7:03am
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  astirling wrote:

This is true but kodi on the shield can output at native resolution so no need to worry about the poor upscaling.

. I hate kodi. And I still want the content upscaled. And since the scaler in the atv is excellent there’s zero need for me to use my shield for 1080 content. And as you said since the atv playback is outstanding there’s no need to “leave it to the tv”.

  April 1, 2019 - 1:45am
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  archer75 wrote:

. I hate kodi. And I still want the content upscaled. And since the scaler in the atv is excellent there’s zero need for me to use my shield for 1080 content. And as you said since the atv playback is outstanding there’s no need to “leave it to the tv”.

I hated KODI aswell, but when I needed to find an alternate platform for Atmos, OSMC vision of KODI did the trick. It's all about the right skin with KODI, the core of the player works very well. Upscaling, audio passthrough, framerate switching. All good.

  April 1, 2019 - 5:13am
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it passthrough of dolby atmos ever likely to happen, this request has been going over for near a year and no letup from apple

  April 1, 2019 - 7:23am
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  VelimirSaban wrote:

I hated KODI aswell, but when I needed to find an alternate platform for Atmos, OSMC vision of KODI did the trick. It's all about the right skin with KODI, the core of the player works very well. Upscaling, audio passthrough, framerate switching. All good.

. Except I have Plex for all that so I don't have to use KODI. I've NEVER found the right skin and KODI has always been clunky to use. Oh I stop by and check out the changes from time to time and have done so for more than a decade but I've never been happy with it. Too much work, subpar experience for nothing I can't get elsewhere.

The upscaling is still horrible on the shield and perfect on the ATV so there's no need for me to find a workaround for the shield when I can simply use my ATV4k.

Like I said, I ONLY use my shield for 4k where I want atmos/DTS:X. Though more and more I use my Oppo for that while my shield collects dust.